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	<title>Comments on: The Way we Grow/Sprawl</title>
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	<description>Edmonton City Councillor, Candidate for Re-Election Ward 10</description>
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		<title>By: Don Iveson :: Edmonton City Councillor, Ward 5</title>
		<link>http://www.doniveson.ca/2009/11/14/the-way-we-growsprawl/comment-page-1/#comment-3839</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Iveson :: Edmonton City Councillor, Ward 5</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Feb 2010 07:19:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] between suburban and established areas, and density targets, which picks up on a conversation I blogged about previously about development trajectory in our [...]</description>
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		<title>By: rob</title>
		<link>http://www.doniveson.ca/2009/11/14/the-way-we-growsprawl/comment-page-1/#comment-3163</link>
		<dc:creator>rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jan 2010 02:55:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Young people often don&#039;t want to live in sprawling bungalows in quiet boring grid, just-out-side-the-core neighbourhoods, with no sense of &quot;community&quot;.

Redeveloping a few houses into townhouses or building a new high rise isn&#039;t going to solve everything.  A drastic neighbourhood &quot;redo&quot; is in order.

I live closer to the Anthony Henday then I do downtown, but my area has a *higher population density* than anything between Downtown and here.

I&#039;d like to see sprawl stopped, or slowed down, however, I wonder if this is possible.  Will developers keep building Estate lots around the perimeter of the city?  Will Leduc, Stony, St. Albert and Sherwood park fill the sprawl void for us?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Young people often don&#8217;t want to live in sprawling bungalows in quiet boring grid, just-out-side-the-core neighbourhoods, with no sense of &#8220;community&#8221;.</p>
<p>Redeveloping a few houses into townhouses or building a new high rise isn&#8217;t going to solve everything.  A drastic neighbourhood &#8220;redo&#8221; is in order.</p>
<p>I live closer to the Anthony Henday then I do downtown, but my area has a *higher population density* than anything between Downtown and here.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d like to see sprawl stopped, or slowed down, however, I wonder if this is possible.  Will developers keep building Estate lots around the perimeter of the city?  Will Leduc, Stony, St. Albert and Sherwood park fill the sprawl void for us?</p>
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		<title>By: Municipal Matters &#8211; Sean Shaw &#187; Municipal Planning Abroad &#8211; Edmonton</title>
		<link>http://www.doniveson.ca/2009/11/14/the-way-we-growsprawl/comment-page-1/#comment-3089</link>
		<dc:creator>Municipal Matters &#8211; Sean Shaw &#187; Municipal Planning Abroad &#8211; Edmonton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 02:44:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] City Councillor (who inspired much of my recent civic campaign) Don Iveson included some expanded thoughts on a portion of the debate that stemmed from a Council meeting in mid-November 2009 and the  [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] City Councillor (who inspired much of my recent civic campaign) Don Iveson included some expanded thoughts on a portion of the debate that stemmed from a Council meeting in mid-November 2009 and the  [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Tegan Martin-Drysdale</title>
		<link>http://www.doniveson.ca/2009/11/14/the-way-we-growsprawl/comment-page-1/#comment-2789</link>
		<dc:creator>Tegan Martin-Drysdale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 02:00:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I share similar concerns with the MDP and have been thinking more and more about how urban sprawl is perpetuated.  There are just too many incentives to move out to the suburbs.  Friends of mine just bought a new house out in the burbs after years of swearing that they would never leave the core, and these were their reasons why:
- lower housing/land costs that do not reflect the actual costs to the triple bottom line
- newer schools and gigantic rec centres
- proximity to large shopping centres like West Ed &amp; 170th St and South West Common
- ring roads that make commuting to work and shopping easy
- parking rates in the core that make parking downtown affordable

I can&#039;t help but think that if people actually had to pay for the true cost of their property - land costs, costs to provide infrastructure to that land, and the cost to the environment (carbon emissions) - they might think twice about moving out to the suburbs.  Its just too cheap right now in comparison to buying land in the core, and until it starts hitting people in the pocketbook I unfortunately don&#039;t think things will change too much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I share similar concerns with the MDP and have been thinking more and more about how urban sprawl is perpetuated.  There are just too many incentives to move out to the suburbs.  Friends of mine just bought a new house out in the burbs after years of swearing that they would never leave the core, and these were their reasons why:<br />
- lower housing/land costs that do not reflect the actual costs to the triple bottom line<br />
- newer schools and gigantic rec centres<br />
- proximity to large shopping centres like West Ed &amp; 170th St and South West Common<br />
- ring roads that make commuting to work and shopping easy<br />
- parking rates in the core that make parking downtown affordable</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t help but think that if people actually had to pay for the true cost of their property &#8211; land costs, costs to provide infrastructure to that land, and the cost to the environment (carbon emissions) &#8211; they might think twice about moving out to the suburbs.  Its just too cheap right now in comparison to buying land in the core, and until it starts hitting people in the pocketbook I unfortunately don&#8217;t think things will change too much.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Nietresta</title>
		<link>http://www.doniveson.ca/2009/11/14/the-way-we-growsprawl/comment-page-1/#comment-2560</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Nietresta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 12:39:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just got back from Phoenix.  Please do not let us become Phoenix!!  There is no hope of getting out of the car culture there - the place is such a huge metropolis that getting from one side to the other takes forever and all the traffic is incredible.  Hopefully we can encourage people to live closer to downtown and stop the unsustainable development.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just got back from Phoenix.  Please do not let us become Phoenix!!  There is no hope of getting out of the car culture there &#8211; the place is such a huge metropolis that getting from one side to the other takes forever and all the traffic is incredible.  Hopefully we can encourage people to live closer to downtown and stop the unsustainable development.</p>
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		<title>By: Edmonton News Round-up &#8211; Adam Snider - Writer for Hire</title>
		<link>http://www.doniveson.ca/2009/11/14/the-way-we-growsprawl/comment-page-1/#comment-2429</link>
		<dc:creator>Edmonton News Round-up &#8211; Adam Snider - Writer for Hire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 04:46:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] city, it seems that more urban sprawl is the real order of the day. Councillor Don Iveson wrote a response on his [...]</description>
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		<title>By: don</title>
		<link>http://www.doniveson.ca/2009/11/14/the-way-we-growsprawl/comment-page-1/#comment-2425</link>
		<dc:creator>don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 22:19:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The original link had spaces in it. Try this updated &lt;a href=&quot;http://is.gd/4XqRA&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;link&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The original link had spaces in it. Try this updated <a href="http://is.gd/4XqRA" rel="nofollow">link</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Jinting</title>
		<link>http://www.doniveson.ca/2009/11/14/the-way-we-growsprawl/comment-page-1/#comment-2423</link>
		<dc:creator>Jinting</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 19:07:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The link no worky.  I&#039;m going to assume that number was in there somewhere.  I just finished the Transportation Master Plan.  If we are going to be serious about alternate modes of transportation/mode shift, the key will indeed be land use planning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The link no worky.  I&#8217;m going to assume that number was in there somewhere.  I just finished the Transportation Master Plan.  If we are going to be serious about alternate modes of transportation/mode shift, the key will indeed be land use planning.</p>
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		<title>By: don</title>
		<link>http://www.doniveson.ca/2009/11/14/the-way-we-growsprawl/comment-page-1/#comment-2415</link>
		<dc:creator>don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 23:59:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, somewhat confusingly the city has the original October 2008 draft up on the website as part of the project page. 

This is the &#039;reference consolidation&#039; of the document up to October 23, which we debated last week: 

[Link updated] http://is.gd/4XqRA

Great comments, everyone. I appreciate the interest and thought. I&#039;ll be commenting further on this issue, rest assured.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, somewhat confusingly the city has the original October 2008 draft up on the website as part of the project page. </p>
<p>This is the &#8216;reference consolidation&#8217; of the document up to October 23, which we debated last week: </p>
<p>[Link updated] <a href="http://is.gd/4XqRA" rel="nofollow">http://is.gd/4XqRA</a></p>
<p>Great comments, everyone. I appreciate the interest and thought. I&#8217;ll be commenting further on this issue, rest assured.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Turnbull</title>
		<link>http://www.doniveson.ca/2009/11/14/the-way-we-growsprawl/comment-page-1/#comment-2414</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Turnbull</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 22:39:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Trevor Mark: He&#039;s not saying if you use your car you will get fat, just that the more you use your car the more likely it is that you will be out of shape.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trevor Mark: He&#8217;s not saying if you use your car you will get fat, just that the more you use your car the more likely it is that you will be out of shape.</p>
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