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	<title>Comments on: Hope Springs Eternal for Light Rail City</title>
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	<description>Edmonton City Councillor, Ward 10</description>
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		<title>By: LRT Expansion was never just icing on the Edmonton EXPO 2017 cake at MasterMaq's Blog</title>
		<link>http://www.doniveson.ca/2009/11/19/hope-springs-eternal-for-light-rail-city/comment-page-1/#comment-10270</link>
		<dc:creator>LRT Expansion was never just icing on the Edmonton EXPO 2017 cake at MasterMaq's Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Nov 2010 21:13:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] on the EXPO 2017 cake. Expanding our LRT network is vital for Edmonton’s future. Here’s what Councillor Don Iveson wrote nearly a year ago: Projects like this require the alignment of at least two and, properly, three orders of [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] on the EXPO 2017 cake. Expanding our LRT network is vital for Edmonton’s future. Here’s what Councillor Don Iveson wrote nearly a year ago: Projects like this require the alignment of at least two and, properly, three orders of [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Green Jobs and Public Transit in Alberta &#171; Terra Bloga</title>
		<link>http://www.doniveson.ca/2009/11/19/hope-springs-eternal-for-light-rail-city/comment-page-1/#comment-3414</link>
		<dc:creator>Green Jobs and Public Transit in Alberta &#171; Terra Bloga</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 04:20:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of Edmonton&#8217;s light rail transit (LRT) system. Don Iveson&#8217;s blog post titled &#8216;Hope Springs Eternal for Light Rail City&#8216;  presented a sweeping vision of a city interconnected by various means of public [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] of Edmonton&#8217;s light rail transit (LRT) system. Don Iveson&#8217;s blog post titled &#8216;Hope Springs Eternal for Light Rail City&#8216;  presented a sweeping vision of a city interconnected by various means of public [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Edmonton Transit in 2009 at MasterMaq&#39;s Blog</title>
		<link>http://www.doniveson.ca/2009/11/19/hope-springs-eternal-for-light-rail-city/comment-page-1/#comment-3301</link>
		<dc:creator>Edmonton Transit in 2009 at MasterMaq&#39;s Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2010 04:34:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 11/19: Hope Springs Eternal for Light Rail City [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Kellen Sunderland</title>
		<link>http://www.doniveson.ca/2009/11/19/hope-springs-eternal-for-light-rail-city/comment-page-1/#comment-2748</link>
		<dc:creator>Kellen Sunderland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 17:33:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve heard a lot of skepticism over a proposed line down Whyte ave, but I think if you look at a few other cities you can see that low floor trams actually integrate pretty well with traffic.

Munich, Budapest, Amsterdam, and Zurich all make this type of system work well on busy pedestrian shopping streets.

Edinburgh in Scotland actually explored several options for their &#039;Princes Street&#039; last year.  This street has very similar amounts of traffic to Whyte Ave, and after their research they decided to use trams.

Here&#039;s a google streetview link of Amsterdam:

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&amp;source=s_q&amp;hl=en&amp;geocode=&amp;q=amsterdam&amp;sll=55.952395,-3.196672&amp;sspn=0.002343,0.006968&amp;ie=UTF8&amp;hq=&amp;hnear=Amsterdam,+North+Holland,+The+Netherlands&amp;ll=52.373454,4.893621&amp;spn=0.002541,0.006968&amp;t=h&amp;z=18&amp;layer=c&amp;cbll=52.373361,4.893508&amp;panoid=qyLqLBRMWaSMA1lbcLeqBQ&amp;cbp=12,346.2,,0,20.2


Cars, Pedestrians, Bikes, and Trams on chaotic roads.  If they can make that system work on their roads, I&#039;m sure we can do it on a grid system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve heard a lot of skepticism over a proposed line down Whyte ave, but I think if you look at a few other cities you can see that low floor trams actually integrate pretty well with traffic.</p>
<p>Munich, Budapest, Amsterdam, and Zurich all make this type of system work well on busy pedestrian shopping streets.</p>
<p>Edinburgh in Scotland actually explored several options for their &#8216;Princes Street&#8217; last year.  This street has very similar amounts of traffic to Whyte Ave, and after their research they decided to use trams.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a google streetview link of Amsterdam:</p>
<p><a href="http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&#038;source=s_q&#038;hl=en&#038;geocode=&#038;q=amsterdam&#038;sll=55.952395,-3.196672&#038;sspn=0.002343,0.006968&#038;ie=UTF8&#038;hq=&#038;hnear=Amsterdam,+North+Holland,+The+Netherlands&#038;ll=52.373454,4.893621&#038;spn=0.002541,0.006968&#038;t=h&#038;z=18&#038;layer=c&#038;cbll=52.373361,4.893508&#038;panoid=qyLqLBRMWaSMA1lbcLeqBQ&#038;cbp=12,346.2,,0,20.2" rel="nofollow">http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&#038;source=s_q&#038;hl=en&#038;geocode=&#038;q=amsterdam&#038;sll=55.952395,-3.196672&#038;sspn=0.002343,0.006968&#038;ie=UTF8&#038;hq=&#038;hnear=Amsterdam,+North+Holland,+The+Netherlands&#038;ll=52.373454,4.893621&#038;spn=0.002541,0.006968&#038;t=h&#038;z=18&#038;layer=c&#038;cbll=52.373361,4.893508&#038;panoid=qyLqLBRMWaSMA1lbcLeqBQ&#038;cbp=12,346.2,,0,20.2</a></p>
<p>Cars, Pedestrians, Bikes, and Trams on chaotic roads.  If they can make that system work on their roads, I&#8217;m sure we can do it on a grid system.</p>
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		<title>By: Jinting</title>
		<link>http://www.doniveson.ca/2009/11/19/hope-springs-eternal-for-light-rail-city/comment-page-1/#comment-2717</link>
		<dc:creator>Jinting</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 16:16:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.edmontonjournal.com/business/Phoenix+suburb+swears+benefit+boulevard/2314734/story.html

Did you see this? About LRT&#039;s positive impact on neighbourhoods in need of revitalization in Arizona.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.edmontonjournal.com/business/Phoenix+suburb+swears+benefit+boulevard/2314734/story.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.edmontonjournal.com/business/Phoenix+suburb+swears+benefit+boulevard/2314734/story.html</a></p>
<p>Did you see this? About LRT&#8217;s positive impact on neighbourhoods in need of revitalization in Arizona.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
		<link>http://www.doniveson.ca/2009/11/19/hope-springs-eternal-for-light-rail-city/comment-page-1/#comment-2667</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 23:26:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>make it happen..... please make it happen</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>make it happen&#8230;.. please make it happen</p>
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		<title>By: Myles</title>
		<link>http://www.doniveson.ca/2009/11/19/hope-springs-eternal-for-light-rail-city/comment-page-1/#comment-2642</link>
		<dc:creator>Myles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 04:07:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would love to see the amazing city this transit plan would service. The interconnectedness of this conceptualization is what i believe to be the source of its inspiration. More deeply connected and engaged communities is a city we all want to hope and work for, i hope we can continue to &#039;Imagineer&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would love to see the amazing city this transit plan would service. The interconnectedness of this conceptualization is what i believe to be the source of its inspiration. More deeply connected and engaged communities is a city we all want to hope and work for, i hope we can continue to &#8216;Imagineer&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed</title>
		<link>http://www.doniveson.ca/2009/11/19/hope-springs-eternal-for-light-rail-city/comment-page-1/#comment-2613</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 16:37:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A line along Whyte Ave?  Isn&#039;t it just wrong enough that Council is considering (?) dividing Old Strathcona by a concrete &#039;tunnel&#039; to a bridge over the river, then they have to even consider ruining (after allowing way too many bars to come in) what&#039;s left of the ambiance of Whyte Ave. with an LRT line down the middle or wherever it may go?  Sad...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A line along Whyte Ave?  Isn&#8217;t it just wrong enough that Council is considering (?) dividing Old Strathcona by a concrete &#8216;tunnel&#8217; to a bridge over the river, then they have to even consider ruining (after allowing way too many bars to come in) what&#8217;s left of the ambiance of Whyte Ave. with an LRT line down the middle or wherever it may go?  Sad&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Mikkel Paulson</title>
		<link>http://www.doniveson.ca/2009/11/19/hope-springs-eternal-for-light-rail-city/comment-page-1/#comment-2605</link>
		<dc:creator>Mikkel Paulson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 17:32:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What you have in your hands there is the difference between Edmonton, sprawling suburbia and Edmonton, thriving city. Make it happen.

I realize that each line would have to undergo extensive consideration, but it seems odd that the green line should stop at Health Sciences. By the time this comes to fruition the U of A South Campus will be thriving and it doesn&#039;t make sense to force northeast commuters to transfer in order to get there.

I assume the purple and green lines would be the only high floor lines, hence the second river crossing at the High Level Bridge. Since they would almost certainly go on top of the bridge, the Radial Railway that Lincoln mentions would be no more. I don&#039;t think it&#039;s necessary to turn Whyte into Fort Edmonton to maintain its status as one of Edmonton&#039;s cultural hotspots.

With the extra stations, I think it&#039;s worth considering adding express routes like in New York, particularly as the lines get longer.

I don&#039;t care what it costs. Act with vision and get it done. If you do that, I will definitely be supporting you in the next election.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What you have in your hands there is the difference between Edmonton, sprawling suburbia and Edmonton, thriving city. Make it happen.</p>
<p>I realize that each line would have to undergo extensive consideration, but it seems odd that the green line should stop at Health Sciences. By the time this comes to fruition the U of A South Campus will be thriving and it doesn&#8217;t make sense to force northeast commuters to transfer in order to get there.</p>
<p>I assume the purple and green lines would be the only high floor lines, hence the second river crossing at the High Level Bridge. Since they would almost certainly go on top of the bridge, the Radial Railway that Lincoln mentions would be no more. I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s necessary to turn Whyte into Fort Edmonton to maintain its status as one of Edmonton&#8217;s cultural hotspots.</p>
<p>With the extra stations, I think it&#8217;s worth considering adding express routes like in New York, particularly as the lines get longer.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t care what it costs. Act with vision and get it done. If you do that, I will definitely be supporting you in the next election.</p>
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		<title>By: Cesar</title>
		<link>http://www.doniveson.ca/2009/11/19/hope-springs-eternal-for-light-rail-city/comment-page-1/#comment-2603</link>
		<dc:creator>Cesar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 16:15:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about extending the LRT to the International Airport. Nisku and Leduc - the last two are growing industrial and commercial areas that have workers who live in Edmonton.  This is really thinking big and future-oriented!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about extending the LRT to the International Airport. Nisku and Leduc &#8211; the last two are growing industrial and commercial areas that have workers who live in Edmonton.  This is really thinking big and future-oriented!</p>
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